The Sedona Disaster

This is a comment that brings some questions:

In Beyond Growth we can find related to Sedona disaster in a native Sweat lodge experiment:


John · 1 week ago
When I first saw the nes article on BBC I googled sweat lodge deaths. Found four instances of people dieing in sweat lodges. All were "New Age" or shamanistic. None were in Native American ceremonies. Oddly, all had 2 people die. One was in Colorado and also had plastic in the lodge. I was just getting ready to go to one when I found out about it.
Sweat lodges are native american ceremonies for prayer, for humility, for healing and gratitude to creator.
What he does is not a "sweat lodge" in that way.
A Mass is a catholic prayer ceremony. Someone charging money to perform a "life transforming Mass" where flagellation takes place to push you beyond your bounds should not be called a mass. You need to be a catholic priest and be trained and everything to conduct a mass.
The catholics have mass and it has a certain purpose and intention and way of doing it.
Same with the sweat lodge. Indians do get angry about people thinking they are imitating their ceremonies, making money off them, stroking their own egos about how they are doing a cool pseudo indian ceremony that they have perverted in a bad way.
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John · 1 week ago
Indians warn not to challenge the stones or the fire and ceremonies, but be humble and respectful with these forces of nature, this is power from creator. If you are using them for the benefit of your fellow man and mother earth and do it freely. No money, no ego, no base purpose (trying to impress anyone, impress women). That is the way you should do it.
You must first learn to do it in a good and kind and humble way. They are not spirits to be conquered, or to follow your "orders" or commands like in some types of magic.
It would be good for more people to respect the sacred ways of Native Americans. I know many many people do. Respect is something we are never done growing in. We realize it deeper as we practice it more. People thinking they know what a sweat lodge is and taking money for it when they aren't delivering what they are selling has a lot of negativity to it I think. If anyone ever charges for a sweat lodge it isn't a real sweat lodge.
Personal growth comes in many forms. Mostly learning from our mistakes. We are just human beings all of us.
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There is a lot of things to be dscussed. We will do in future.